Mudslinging
While I disagree with John Calvin on the issue of predestination I have never said or wrote anything disparaging about him nor have I tried to misrepresent anything he said or wrote.
Just as one must consider the scripture as a whole in coming to a conclusion on free will or predestination a person must consider a persons whole background and complete body of writings before condemning them.
In reading various Reformed Theology websites I have noticed that many of them attack various people who believe in free will. I've seen sites that claimed Billy Graham was out of the Christian mainstream and was a heretic. Others try to discredit John Wesley.
It is true one can pull certain actions and statements and play pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. If I wanted to play by the same rule I could use the following two examples to trash John Calvin and Martin Luther:
John Calvin wrote to King Henry VIII recommending that the Anabaptists be burned as an example to other Englishmen: 'It is far better that two or three be burned than thousands perish in Hell.'"
Source:Estep, William R., Renaissance & Reformation (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1986), 241
Of Martin Luther we are told, "His attitude to Anabaptism was molded by a succession of unfortunate events, and he turned from toleration through banishment to the death penalty for sedition and for 'blasphemy' (a term which in practice was largely equated with what hitherto had been called heresy.")
Source: Littell, Franklin H., The Origins of Sectarian Protestantism (New York: The Macmillan Company)
Apparently John Calvin did believe in free will since he recommended to King Henry VIII that burning a few people at the stake would keep other Englishmen on the straight and narrow. Was John Calvin being guided by the Holy Spirit when he had people burned at the stake?
The fact that such a large body of people, much less any individual, argues so intensely for the case of predestination shows that they really do not believe in it. They do believe given the facts people do have a choice to make.
What is an Anabaptist? From Merriam-Webster Dictionary: A member of a radical movement of the 16th-century Reformation that viewed baptism solely as an external witness to a believer's conscious profession of faith, rejected infant baptism...
Conclusion: Calvin's theology is not 100% trustworthy. However, I am honest enough to recognize that despite these positions they don't represent everything or nullify everything Calvin and Luther stood for.
Again many in Reformed Theology attempt to destroy those who believe in free will by misrepresenting them, sometimes in other areas. For example. Lorraine Boettner tries to discredit John Wesley by claiming Wesley "was a believer in witchcraft."
Loraine Boettner, author of The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination on page 426 had this to say of John Wesley, "It should be said at this point that Wesley was a believer in witchcraft. Failure to believe in witches was looked upon by him as a concession to infidels and rationalists… In his Journal we read this report of a girl who was subject to fits: 'When old Doctor Alexander was asked what her disorder was, he answered, 'It is what formerly they would have called being bewitched.' And why should they not call it so now? Because the infidels have hooted it out of the world; and the complaisant Christians, in large number, have joined them in their cry.'"
Other Calvinists have jumped on the "John Wesley believed in witchcraft" bandwagon. Many Calvinist websites state, "In his Journal, Wesley bemoaned the decline of superstition, the advance of human thought and the more peaceable reign of Christ on the earth, in the following words: "It is true likewise, that the English in general, and, indeed, most of the men of learning in Europe, have given up all accounts of witches and apparitions as mere wives' fables. I am sorry for it… The giving up of witchcraft is in effect giving up the Bible!""
OK, so John Wesley believed in witchcraft. Believing and condoning are not the same. I'm pretty certain both John Calvin and Martin Luther believed in witchcraft as well. Like Wesley, they believed it existed and was dangerous.
As I said, John Wesley was neither condoning nor encouraging witchcraft. However, Wesley did believe that witchcraft was in the world and to deny it would deny the existence of evil and of Satan. I have seen surveys by Barna that show a significant number of Christians today, including many preachers, do not believe in a literal Satan or hell. That is what concerned Wesley.
In Wesley's Commentary on the Bible every reference to witchcraft, while emphasizing that it is real and exists, condemned its practice. The Calvinists link of John Wesley to witchcraft is nothing more than an effort to discredit John Wesley for his belief in free will.
Predestination Free Will http://www.freewill-predestination.com/
Just as one must consider the scripture as a whole in coming to a conclusion on free will or predestination a person must consider a persons whole background and complete body of writings before condemning them.
In reading various Reformed Theology websites I have noticed that many of them attack various people who believe in free will. I've seen sites that claimed Billy Graham was out of the Christian mainstream and was a heretic. Others try to discredit John Wesley.
It is true one can pull certain actions and statements and play pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. If I wanted to play by the same rule I could use the following two examples to trash John Calvin and Martin Luther:
John Calvin wrote to King Henry VIII recommending that the Anabaptists be burned as an example to other Englishmen: 'It is far better that two or three be burned than thousands perish in Hell.'"
Source:Estep, William R., Renaissance & Reformation (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1986), 241
Of Martin Luther we are told, "His attitude to Anabaptism was molded by a succession of unfortunate events, and he turned from toleration through banishment to the death penalty for sedition and for 'blasphemy' (a term which in practice was largely equated with what hitherto had been called heresy.")
Source: Littell, Franklin H., The Origins of Sectarian Protestantism (New York: The Macmillan Company)
Apparently John Calvin did believe in free will since he recommended to King Henry VIII that burning a few people at the stake would keep other Englishmen on the straight and narrow. Was John Calvin being guided by the Holy Spirit when he had people burned at the stake?
The fact that such a large body of people, much less any individual, argues so intensely for the case of predestination shows that they really do not believe in it. They do believe given the facts people do have a choice to make.
What is an Anabaptist? From Merriam-Webster Dictionary: A member of a radical movement of the 16th-century Reformation that viewed baptism solely as an external witness to a believer's conscious profession of faith, rejected infant baptism...
Conclusion: Calvin's theology is not 100% trustworthy. However, I am honest enough to recognize that despite these positions they don't represent everything or nullify everything Calvin and Luther stood for.
Again many in Reformed Theology attempt to destroy those who believe in free will by misrepresenting them, sometimes in other areas. For example. Lorraine Boettner tries to discredit John Wesley by claiming Wesley "was a believer in witchcraft."
Loraine Boettner, author of The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination on page 426 had this to say of John Wesley, "It should be said at this point that Wesley was a believer in witchcraft. Failure to believe in witches was looked upon by him as a concession to infidels and rationalists… In his Journal we read this report of a girl who was subject to fits: 'When old Doctor Alexander was asked what her disorder was, he answered, 'It is what formerly they would have called being bewitched.' And why should they not call it so now? Because the infidels have hooted it out of the world; and the complaisant Christians, in large number, have joined them in their cry.'"
Other Calvinists have jumped on the "John Wesley believed in witchcraft" bandwagon. Many Calvinist websites state, "In his Journal, Wesley bemoaned the decline of superstition, the advance of human thought and the more peaceable reign of Christ on the earth, in the following words: "It is true likewise, that the English in general, and, indeed, most of the men of learning in Europe, have given up all accounts of witches and apparitions as mere wives' fables. I am sorry for it… The giving up of witchcraft is in effect giving up the Bible!""
OK, so John Wesley believed in witchcraft. Believing and condoning are not the same. I'm pretty certain both John Calvin and Martin Luther believed in witchcraft as well. Like Wesley, they believed it existed and was dangerous.
As I said, John Wesley was neither condoning nor encouraging witchcraft. However, Wesley did believe that witchcraft was in the world and to deny it would deny the existence of evil and of Satan. I have seen surveys by Barna that show a significant number of Christians today, including many preachers, do not believe in a literal Satan or hell. That is what concerned Wesley.
In Wesley's Commentary on the Bible every reference to witchcraft, while emphasizing that it is real and exists, condemned its practice. The Calvinists link of John Wesley to witchcraft is nothing more than an effort to discredit John Wesley for his belief in free will.
Predestination Free Will http://www.freewill-predestination.com/
